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A-blaming we will go, a-blaming we will go, oh won't you just look at that ho, a-blaming we will go
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harmlessbondage wrote in rage_free
This article about a church group handing out pamphlets to "sinfully dressed" women suggesting that they are asking to be raped, was submitted to Digg. (The article is NSFW because somebody thought it was necessary to include a picture of a very scantily clad lady lying on top of a pool table.)

Most of the popular comments were surprisingly, well, right on the money, with many people agreeing that, for one, it's not just church groups who instigate victim blaming; that victim blaming, overall, is out of hand; that it is the responsibility of assailants to NOT RAPE more than its the responsibility of the victims to not be raped.

Then I stumbled upon this gem, with an appalling 29 diggs up (meaning 29 people vocally and unabashedly agree) and only 4 buries.

yurmutha412
If men weren't provoked by women wearing few clothes we wouldn't see the advertising, etc, that we see. Let's face reality here. Naked women turn men on. Chances are there will be more rapes if there are more nearly naked women walking around because men will get more ideas. If you have trouble with that you are probably not attracted to women. Doesn't mean it's right or anything, but please at least show a tiny amount of honesty. If you lust at a woman when you see her, there is probably a guy somewhere that will commit rape for the same reason you lusted.

It gets worse as you scroll down. User flashingcurser sugarcoats his (her?) victim blaming with a sprinkling of fauxminism, evidence a complete misunderstandin thinks that "feminism is about letting women take responsibility for their actions - so if they wear slutty clothes, they should expect to be and deal with being raped.

I'm only sort of paraphrasing.

flashingcurser
Rape is rape regardless of what a woman wears. I completely disagree with any nutter that says that someone 'deserves' it because of what someone wore.

That said, feminism was supposed to give women the opportunity to make the same choices as men. It was not supposed to keep them from any consequences to unwise behavior. Some choices have terrible consequences and women should still be 'allowed' to make those choices. An example would be wearing slutty clothes to a biker bar in a bad part of town. Then getting drunk and dancing on the tables. Common sense would tell you that these are bad choices. That doesn't absolve the bikers from the gang rape that follows. Feminism also means that if a woman likes to have rough group sex multiple men who haven't bathed in a long time, that's her choice.
The same example for men would be going to the same bar and yelling to the bar about how stupid an unwashed bikers are. That doesn't absolve the bikers from your hospitalization that follows, but it was clearly a bad choice of behavior. If I gave you some advice before going to that bar to not say bad things about bikers, you would think it was good advice. It might save you from a traumatic assault. But there is this weird double standard when it come to women, if a man gave a women similar well meaning advice about what might get them raped, everyone goes out of their mind. Just because rape is morally wrong and illegal that doesn't mean that some common sense behavior couldn't prevent a few of them.
Part of me wants to bury me down too, after all who doesn't want to see women wearing slutty clothes?


Whooosh, goes the point.

User lafsunlmtd thinks he's being smart likening conditions of rape to a risk evaluation and undermining completely discarding the importance that CONSENT plays in RAPE:

you are so off base, it has nothing to do with whether they consented to it or not. Its about whether there actions or decisions increase their chances of rape. Would you say that women who walk alone in dark, crime ridden alleys don't increase their chance of getting raped? They CLEARLY increase their chance of it. It doesn't make the men right in doing it, and it doesn't make them at fault for it happening, but their actions clearly make it easier for it to happen.

Its a very weak tactic to change the frame of the argument if you don't have something smart to say. If you don't like what is being said, change what they say and attack it.


Excuse me for a moment while I pick the pieces of my brain off my computer screen.

"Chances are there will be more rapes if there are more nearly naked women walking around because men will get more ideas."

Which is why some women who wear burquas get raped. Clearly.

rape is obviously about sexual arousal and nothing more!

And it has nothing to do with control or anything either. Just being turned on at the wrong time! You see, rapists have no self-control, so rape is just kind of something that happens. Obviously wearing the wrong thing or being in the wrong place at the wrong time contributes to this.

I think I just broke my sarcasm key.

I hate people sometimes... :(

How fucking hard is it to understand that rape is solely and exclusively the fault of the rapist. What the fuck?!

Chances are there will be more rapes if there are more nearly naked women walking around because men will get more ideas. If you have trouble with that you are probably not attracted to women.

So, let me get this straight. If you don't have an overwhelming desire to rape a woman, you're probably gay?

Right.

Because sticking your dick into a lady even after she's said "NO!!!!" because she's 'nearly naked' is so manly amirite.


Jesus H. Christ

Or if you're a woman, you can't be a lesbian or bisexual anymore.

TOO CLOSE TO HOME.

Yes, wearing a fucking mens t-shirt 2 sizes too big and sweat pants, with unbrushed messy hair and no makeup was totally warrant of my rape when I was 15.


OBVIOUSLY, I WAS JUST DRESSED LIKE A TRAMP.


I fucking hate victim blaming.

i'm sorry that happened to you and i'm doubly sorry that you have to deal with people saying shit like this.

relatedly, should i put this whole thing behind a cut? i didn't consider that the idiocy here could be very triggering.

Well, while it is triggering, I am personally okay. I've managed to put the worst of the trauma behind me at this point, so I mostly just feel an incredible amount of personal rage- but then again, a cut may be a good idea for those who are still really emotional about theirs.

And thanks for your concern, it's really infuriating. All victim blaming is infuriating, but the "wimminz are askin for it because they all dress like sluts when they're raped" tends to tip me over worse than any of them since my experience was the complete opposite.

Chances are there will be more rapes if there are more nearly naked women walking around because men will get more ideas. If you have trouble with that you are probably not attracted to women.

Just because rape is morally wrong and illegal that doesn't mean that some common sense behavior couldn't prevent a few of them.
Part of me wants to bury me down too, after all who doesn't want to see women wearing slutty clothes?


They CLEARLY increase their chance of it. It doesn't make the men right in doing it, and it doesn't make them at fault for it happening, but their actions clearly make it easier for it to happen.










+1 internet for your ren and stimpy reference.

ichigoromance

2010-03-02 06:35 pm (UTC)


TormenTor
Slutty clothes promote rape?!? What a newsflash! I never would have guessed it! I guess we could say that smearing honey on you attracts bees and/ or bears. Girls, it’s just like giving your house a make over: You attract attention if you do some landscaping, maybe paint some, show off your “flowers” and other shrubbery, and when they get inside your house, you ask them why they are there. Well, it’s because the outside of your house was sooooo inviting, they couldn’t help but to see what was inside. You need to welcome the guests that you invite, otherwise, DON’T PRESENT THE OUTSIDE OF YOUR HOUSE TO SOMEONE THAT YOU DON’T WANT INSIDE OF YOUR “HOUSE”.

I do so hope they're being sarcastic and mocking the people who actually believe these views, but... gah.

Um, I don't know, I always thought beautiful houses were for admiring politely from outside the property boundaries unless I knew the owners and they invited me in.

If anyone ever gives me a pamphlet like that I will MOON them. They're asking for it.

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